Jackie Hyde, Director at childcare and nursery insurance provider dot2dot, Women in Business – Q&As
I came from a working class family that always instilled in me some real core values. Always treat people how you would like to be treated. Remember the little things in life, as they mean a lot. Always look the part and take pride in whatever you do. With hard graft you can achieve anything. These values have never left me and although I am not an academic, the hard graft in particular has worked well for me. There have been times when life has been particularly tough but these challenging moments or when things have just gone wrong, teaches you lessons that make you stronger.
In more recent years, I have really got to understand my skills and more importantly my weaknesses. As a business, you are only as strong as your team as you cannot do everything, so it is so important that you keep bringing in new areas of expertise, so the business can keep moving forward.
How has your previous employment experience aided your tenure at Stanmore and dot2dot Nursery Insurance?
I had only a few years working at Commercial Union before I moved to Stanmore as an Account Handler. However, the insurance company world and independent broking are two very different businesses, so I have never forgotten what it is like to be an Underwriter and remember this when we are negotiating the best terms for our clients.
What have the highlights and challenges been during your tenure at Stanmore and dot2dot?
My biggest challenge took place on the 2 January 2014 when my business partner sustained a serious injury and was subsequently away from the business for 19 months which has resulted in me purchasing his shares in July 2015. Overnight the business needed changes, as I had to not only service my clients but immediately needed to understand the requirements of my partner’s clients and build relationships very quickly. In addition, the whole of the responsibility for running the business became mine with the need to have a greater understanding of regulatory matters and finances which had previously been my partner’s area. To add a further challenge I was diagnosed with breast cancer two months later, so treatment took place with two weeks off for surgery and radiotherapy outside business hours.
During times like these you realise the support that is around. I have a fantastic team who did whatever was needed to ensure clients were not neglected. Insurers provided renewal terms for us well in advance which helped us with planning. Clients were so understanding about what was happening and were prepared to be flexible where needed. Business peers were amazing, providing reassurance, guidance, understanding and the occasional stern word whenever it was needed. The business needed looking after alongside my own person situation.
We never took the foot off driving for new business or ensuring our clients still received the service they expected. The business not only survived but had the best financial year for a long time with an increase in turnover and profitability.
Many lessons were learnt personally. The business had to undergo changes but this predominately brought opportunities to lots of individuals to develop within our organisation.
I had some really tough days but there were lots of good ones too and I am so much stronger for this experience.
My greatest highlight has been dot2dot, which was developed and driven by me from day one. I launched dot2dot in 2003 and it was important that we had an innovative approach to providing insurance to the children’s nursery section which included a nursery branded product with a name that is associated to children and an appropriate brand with a teddy bear as our mascot. At events we promoted the dot2dot product in jeans and t-shirts giving away stickers, wall planners and children’s CD’s to demonstrate we were in tune with the Early Years industry. It was so well received that all our competitors who had previously presented their products in the normal insurance style followed our approach.
Blue-chip insurers have always been the backers for our policy which benefits from minimal warranties and conditions that ensure claims are met. Since the change of insurer to Zurich in 2009 dot2dot has had 100% growth.
All clients have a dedicated account handler who personally gets to know them and their business. It also creates individual ownership at the office. Cards and gifts regularly leave the building to celebrate births, marriages or simply wishing a client well when they are poorly or having a difficult time.
What advice can you offer to women who want a career in your industry?
It’s a great industry to work in and many people do not understand the depth of knowledge that we have to have to succeed. There are some great success stories of women in the insurance company world but I would love to see more women owning independent brokerages. My advice would be to understand what your core strengths are and then complete some research on the industry to see which roles would suit you. There are so many options. For young women there are a number of apprenticeships available alongside graduate positions. We have provided work experience to graduates during their summer breaks, so just send an introductory email as you never know what opportunities are out there.
How do you maintain a work/life balance?
This is a constant challenge and changes all the time so I have to adapt regularly. When my career developed and I had two small children, my husband and I sat down to agree who would do what and when. This helped enormously and I have always had the mentality that when I am at work, this is my priority and when home then family life is then the focus. I have a wonderful relationship with my children and delighted to say that my daughter now works with me in the business.
The family is really supportive and understands when the business has to come first. This doesn’t remove the guilt completely when there are times you still feel you are in the wrong place. I have a business coach who has helped me manage the various changes in my life and she has been instrumental in my success.
As stated earlier I have had a period of ill health coupled with a very difficult time in the business. This resulted in me working ridiculous hours during the week and often needing to work at the weekend too. When situations like this happen, you cannot under-estimate the support of family, friends, work colleagues and business peers. You just need to off load and get back on with what needs to be done. You have to aim to find long term solutions and seek guidance when needed. It comes right in the end.
I love to read business books and my latest is Busy by Tony Crabbe which is about thriving in a world of too much. It gives some great tips and I have now recommended to lots of my business friends.
So no golden rules – just try to keep your priorities as good as possible and forgive yourself when you don’t always get it right.
What do you think is the biggest issue for women in the workplace?
Very often their lack of self belief which I know I have had lots in the past but this is improving day by day. You need to surround yourself with good quality peers, business friends and if possible a coach/mentor.
Guilty can be another one as women want to be the homemakers and juggling is not always easy. In the early stages of my career this was difficult with two young children and not much disposable income.
Women are so resilient and when life is tough, then can overcome challenges but they have to believe in themselves
How has mentorship made a difference in your professional and personal life?
I can honestly say my business coach transformed my life and without doubt played a major part in helping me be who I am today. I met my coach in 2010 following a recommendation from a close business friend. I was having a tough time following the loss of the major account which had dominated my career over the 7 years we had looked after them. I had lost my mojo and was feeling unsure what I wanted to do or what steps to take next.
My business coach mainly works with business women so understood the guilt feeling the majority of women carry with them. She also understands the challenges of the business world and in particular the difficulties you have if working in a predominately male industry.
The first work I did was to understand my profile which meant we both got to know my strengths and weaknesses amongst other things. When this was identified, we started to understand why I was so fed up and came up with a plan to fix it. In fact, part of the process was to take 6 weeks off work as there were doubts as to whether a complete change was needed. After the time away from the business, I knew Stanmore was part of me and when I returned, I had no regrets and had a renewed vigour and passion for the business.
It is also great to be able to share you inner thoughts whether business or personal confidentially with someone you trust. A good coach listens, doesn’t judge you and wants to help you grow as a person.
Top tips for women in business:
Positive role models, whether male or female, are vital. I am also an advocate of reading good quality books about business and in particular positive ways to believe in your ability to succeed or overcome adversity. There are lots of these books available and they can give you great tips or sometimes just reinforce that you are doing a good job.
The Beaconsoft story and introducing its one-of-a-kind digital campaign intelligence platform
By Nigel Bridges, founding CEO of Beaconsoft Limited
What were you doing prior to setting up Beaconsoft?
Before setting up Beaconsoft, I was involved in the leadership and scale up of SoftIron, a ground-breaking British hardware tech company that has now moved its operations to California.
Prior to that, as well as holding the role of managing director/CEO of a number of UK tech firms, I also acted as an independent adviser and non-executive director of several digital media businesses, one of which was a digital marketing agency.
It was with this business that I first encountered the issues surrounding the lack of transparency and accuracy in digital media expenditure.
This was also when I first joined forces with my Beaconsoft co-founders, Stewart Boutcher and Mike Townend.
What were your main motivations for establishing the business?
As a digital marketing agency, one of the biggest challenges we faced was the reporting of accurate and meaningful information to our clients.
Their marketing budgets were not limitless, and we needed to make sure that money was spent wisely and, in doing so, that we achieved, and exceeded, the desired results.
We needed comprehensive yet easy to understand analytics to measure and report on the effectiveness of campaigns and channels, based on accurate, independent data.
If we had this information, we knew that we could help our clients to make improvements to their digital marketing campaigns by drawing on real and meaningful insights. However, like the vast majority of marketers, we struggled to collect and combine accurate data to achieve this.
We became increasingly frustrated that we couldn’t find the right platform, despite searching the marketing technology industry far and wide. Every piece of technology we discovered fell short of our requirements because they didn’t use independent data and tended to underreport the level of fake clicks.
This is why we decided to create something that no-one else was offering – and thus the concept of Beacon was created.
Please could you briefly explain what the Beacon platform does?
Beacon is an independent digital campaign intelligence platform that uses accurate data to help users know what content, posts, ads, etc. are working effectively and which aren’t across all their digital channels.
The marketing analytics that the platform provides are presented in such a transparent and accurate way that businesses can make better decisions based on independent and reliable data that they can place their trust in.
When did Beacon launch and why did you think it was necessary?
We had early versions to test the market back in 2018 but we launched the platform as it is now in 2019, rolling out regular updates and new functionality since then.
Beacon was born out of the frustration that we felt as a digital agency when facing the challenges of data transparency, data accuracy, multi-channel campaign optimisation and reporting inefficiency.
Beacon is the only platform of its kind on the market that can accurately show how much of a business’ digital marketing budget is being wasted by bot clicks. What exactly are bot clicks?
A bot click is simply a type of click on a post, ad, link, etc. that is not made by a human.
They can either be good or bad for businesses that operate online, but the important measurement from a digital marketing perspective is the number of human responses to messages and clicks through to a website rather than the number of clicks as a whole.
The amount of bot clicks can vary hugely, and can account for as much as 50% of all traffic received in some cases, meaning counting these interactions in campaign statistics can be very misleading.
What threats do bot clicks pose to companies’ digital ad budgets and how widespread a problem are they?
In the world of digital marketing, it is likely that, at best, only 15% of a firm’s budget leads to any form of meaningful engagement with their target audience.
A large portion of this waste is due to online spending on digital ads that attract non-human bot activity and, if malicious bot clicks are left unchecked, businesses will continue to waste their budget on non-human clicks that could be deployed on human clicks, thus making the Return on Investment [ROI] much lower.
It is estimated that expenditure on digital advertising exceeded £250 billion in 2020, with more than 21 trillion ads paid for but never seen by humans each year and digital marketing campaigns subject to fraud rates of more than 50%.
Google and Facebook are forecast to account for 71% of the UK’s online advertising market in the near future, and the prevalence of non-human ad clicks adds up to a massive waste of corporate marketing budgets.
Furthermore, the sheer size of the online advertising market tempts criminals into creating technologies to steal from advertisers, fuelling a global problem within the industry.
What purpose do bot clicks serve and why might people take advantage of them?
Some bots are completely benign and should actually be embraced by businesses.
For example, many email systems will use bots to check the validity of a link to a website, and Google will use bots to list a website for search engine rankings.
These bots are positive and should be encouraged, but at the other end of the spectrum are malicious bots that can, for example, masquerade as humans for the purpose of financial fraud.
How does Beacon help to combat the impact of bot clicks and how much of a difference could this make for businesses?
Beacon attempts to firstly detect bots, irrespective of the originating marketing channel, and remove them from campaign analytics and then stop the content from being presented to that bot so that the cost of that ‘wasted click’ is avoided.
We have spent a long time and a lot of effort developing some very special technology that makes Beacon a compelling choice for any organisation wanting to reduce its digital marketing waste, drive better engagement with human visitors, and ultimately improve their ROI.
In what other ways can Beacon help businesses to optimise their digital campaigns?
It is worth noting that reducing ad fraud is just one component in optimising digital campaigns.
By reducing the number of bot clicks, the analytics received are far more accurate, and considerable costs can be saved.
However, this is a means to an end as the goal is to improve the overall digital marketing campaign, for which organisations need to measure only the results of human interactions across all their digital marketing channels.
Once they have this, they can then improve their campaigns by looking at what works and what doesn’t by making comparisons between each ad, channel, piece of content, etc., safe in the knowledge that they are drawing on accurate and independent data.
Mark Wright – No Longer an Apprentice
Just for context, you won The Apprentice and became Lord Sugar’s business partner in 2014 – you set up your digital marketing business Climb Online and are continuing to successfully grow this business today.
With the beauty of hindsight, would you have started your business journey differently?
When growing up, I always knew that I wanted to be in business and that I wanted to be successful. It wasn’t until I was working for a personal training college in Australia that I realised the true power of digital marketing, as the website I built and ranked on the first page of Google for key search terminology enabled them to accelerate revenue from $2,000 to $240,000 per month.
After I travelled to the UK, I wanted a bank loan to help launch my first business, but I wasn’t able to secure one. A friend suggested I try out for BBC’s The Apprentice as an alternative, which was something I hadn’t heard of, let alone watched before, and the rest is history. I don’t believe in regrets and certainly wouldn’t have changed how I started my business journey. The show provided me with an excellent PR and lead generation platform, and I have had the unique opportunity to meet and learn from some incredible business people, particularly Lord Sugar, for which I am very grateful.
The X Factor winners are often lambasted by the press and not taken seriously as artists by the music industry after winning the show. Have you experienced parallel treatment from the business community after your win?
I would certainly say that I experienced parallel negative treatment from the digital marketing industry when I first won BBC’s The Apprentice; where I was even booed going onto stage to speak at a trade event. However, I am always a big believer in the fact that how people treat and respond to others is more a reflection of themselves and it wasn’t something that I let impact me. The best people in business are those who can support and celebrate other people’s successes and that’s what I always strive to do, regardless of the treatment I receive in return.
Do you feel you have had to work harder to prove your credence as an entrepreneur?
Yes, on some level I do think I initially felt like I had to work harder to prove my credibility as an entrepreneur and a business owner. A lot of people audition and make it on to BBC’s The Apprentice out of a desire for public recognition and 5 minutes of fame, whereas I only wanted to go on the show to secure investment for my business having been rejected from a number of UK banks due to my nationality.
I still hold the record as the only Apprentice Winner to turn over in excess of £1 million during my first year in business and to actually make a profit, and this was largely due to the fact I was so focused on building a large business with strong foundations from the outset.
You became a UK Citizen earlier this year, why have you chosen to stay permanently in the UK?
Australia will always have a special place in my heart and I still have a desire to return and even open a Climb Online office there, but the UK has really become my home. I have made some amazing friends and have created a number of brilliant businesses and am very excited about what the future brings here.
What have been your stand out moments since launching Climb Online?
I have been very fortunate in that I have had many standout moments since launching Climb Online, from being listed twice on Forbes 30 under 30 to creating and hosting CLIMBCON in 2019.*
However, my real stand out moment is quite simple, and it happens almost daily and that is being in the office with my team, receiving positive feedback from clients and helping and mentoring other business owners or aspiring entrepreneurs with their own challenges. There is no feeling like helping someone else succeed or realise their own ambitions and I feel incredibly fortunate that I am able to support and give back to others in such a way.
Have you ever just wanted to throw the towel in and head back to the beach?
All business owners at some point will have that feeling of wanting to throw in the towel, particularly on the days when nothing is going right, and everything feels impossible. However, the true marker of success is the ability to continue to show up each day and work through every single challenge. The ones that do will come out on top, maybe not immediately, but eventually.
I am from a small town in Australia where my Dad owns the local car garage and my mum owns the local hair salon, so when we were all sitting round the table at dinner time, they would discuss the challenges of running a business and I would gain real insight into the hardships. So in starting and continuing to work through my business journey I have always had this in the back of my mind. The power of persistence cannot be underestimated and even on days when I feel like it, I wouldn’t ever head back to the beach.
2020 has been a tough year for business. How was your business affected?
I can honestly say that the start of the COVID-19 pandemic was the hardest period I have ever had to work through in business as like the majority, we lost clients and were forced to make challenging decisions. However, I would also say I have learnt the most about business this year and worked hard to implement an effective survival strategy. This not only meant we were able to continue to navigate through the first difficult three months, but in taking the time to look at our costs, our staff and our processes, have had the opportunity to make vast improvements that have enabled us to thrive beyond pre-COVID levels and really come out on top.
What do you think the long-term impact of COVID-19 will be? Will the economy bounce back quicker than predicted?
I think the figures from Q3 were very promising and show that a ‘bounce back’ is possible. However, with further reports revealing that UK borrowing is now at the highest since records began, it means we have a long way to go and it certainly won’t be easy.
Although there haven’t been any changes to taxes as yet, I do think these will come as we start to see economic recovery and hope any increases don’t impact business owners too heavily, particularly as they have worked so hard to survive this unprecedented period.
How has COVID-19 changed the digital marketing industry?
Although there was an initial hit at the start of the pandemic, with businesses cutting digital marketing spend as a cost-saving exercise, I would actually say the pandemic has since played into the hands of the digital marketing industry by emphasising the importance of having a strong digital presence to sell your product or service online.
There will still be agencies who will be down on a revenue. However this won’t be because the business and sales opportunities aren’t out there, but because they aren’t pushing hard enough and are ultimately using COVID-19 as an excuse. At Climb Online we have won many new clients recently just because we were the only agency to actually answer the phone, which is quite unbelievable and shows that many are still operating remotely and haven’t got the right virtual infrastructure in place.
What advice would you give for business owners struggling to drive new sales?
This is going to sound very simple, but the first thing business owners struggling with sales should do is hire a salesperson to implement a clear and consistent business development strategy. I’ve met thousands of business owners over the years and it still amazes me that the vast majority don’t have any form of sales operation to keep the pipeline full and to proactively sell the product or service. Often the business owner is hesitant to hire a salesperson due to a bad experience or because they believe no one will be able to sell the business as well as they can, and whilst the latter is likely to be true, you still need additional people on the ground generating as many leads as possible. Without a sales team, any form of sales strategy becomes inconsistent and ineffective, limiting the opportunity for growth.
Will you ever retire? Absolutely not. Never.
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The evolving payments landscape
Q&A with Prajit Nanu, Co-Founder and CEO, Nium
- The global pandemic has negatively impacted economies around the world, but we’re also seeing an acceleration in e-commerce and consumer behaviours. What trends are you seeing, and what is the takeaway for Nium?
At the start of the global pandemic, no one had a clue on where things were headed. But luckily for Nium, we have a 360-degree view on how different industries are adapting because of the number of industries we serve. For instance, we saw that there was a rise in gaming, e-learning, and e-commerce while the travel industry was significantly impacted.
According to Newzoo, the leading global provider of games and esports analytics, the games market will to grow to $217.9 billion by 2023, representing a strong +9.4% CAGR between 2018 and 2023. This is up from a previous forecast of $200.8 billion. The sudden shift away from the classroom in many parts of the globe also led to a rise in e-learning adoption, where schools have had to distribute gadgets to students to ensure they have access to learning materials. Schools in New York, US for example distributed around 500,000 laptops and tablets to their students in early April.
To cater to these sudden shifts in consumer behaviour, banks are coming to Nium with an accelerated timeline to leverage and implement our services, including instant real-time cross-border payments. This is positive because banks are reacting to new consumer behaviours promptly.
That said, while these are positive trends, we need to think about how we can sustain this momentum into the future. Initially when the pandemic hit, we saw a huge shift of revenues from offline to online channels. However, now that countries are gradually re-opening, we see that many consumers are preferring to go back to offline channels. The question now lies in how we keep up with these changes and continue to deliver great customer service.
- The world is shifting to an API economy, how is this going to impact your customers?
Our definition of an API economy is one that deploys best-of-breed products seamlessly and efficiently – and this is a core mantra of what we believe we are powering at Nium. If you think about it, banks today are being unbundled at a rapid pace. 15 years ago, if a customer wanted a loan or a travel card, they would have had to walk into a physical bank. Today, customers can turn to a small and medium-sized enterprise (SME) lender or any pre-paid travel card business.
Nium is actually leading the charge in this rapid unbundling through our banking-as-a-service (BaaS) offering. For instance, E-commerce companies no longer only provide e-commerce as a service but instead have tapped onto a new range of services within that ecosystem. Companies today can choose partners for their payment solutions – for instance, they can use X for payments, Y for card issuance, and Z for lending. The API impact that Nium makes goes beyond just a few customers; we make it easy for everyone to plug in and rapidly deploy our service.
The future of the API economy is all about how to make APIs easy to understand, and that is where Nium is driving our vision forward.
- What is Nium doing to cater to the under-penetrated segment that may not have access to payments today?
Nium is providing an infrastructure platform catered for anyone – from everyday customers and businesses, to large banks, and even to fintechs – aimed at levelling the playing field through the provision of financial services to all members of the population. In other words, our platform enables our partners to reach out to the population and provide greater access to payments than ever before.
To take a recent example, Nium partnered with Aptiv8, an IT and manpower solution provider, to launch a remittance service called MyRemit. This service allows migrant workers in Singapore to conduct digital remittance transactions via a mobile app, anywhere and anytime. This has been particularly vital during this year’s strict social distancing and lockdown measures, as migrant workers can still remit money back home for their family’s needs through a digital channel.
Similarly, Nium recently partnered with Cebuana Lhuillier, the Philippines’ largest microfinancial services provider, to launch their mobile remittance app, Quikz, in Singapore. Powered by Nium’s Remittance-as-a-service (RaaS) solution, this app allows thousands of Filipinos based in Singapore to send money to their loved ones back in the Philippines. Our platform ensures the transactions are processed securely and in real-time – providing more customers with a safe and more affordable way to make transactions.
- What was 2020 like for Nium and what is it going to be like in 2021?
This year has been interesting for Nium because the pandemic forced us to rethink and review our company playbook for success. At the peak of COVID-19, I gathered my leadership team together to reflect on the impact the world had faced, how the world is going to change, and what we, as a company, need to consider when adapting to these changes. This exercise was extremely useful and it has formed the basis of a refreshed playbook for us.
Our team members came up with many different stories on how we need to over-communicate not only to our clients, but also internally with our colleagues. We also spoke about product prioritisation. For instance, travel used to be an industry that most of our products served, but it has become much smaller today, while other industries such as e-learning and gaming have burst through the scenes. So, do we still create products for the travel industry knowing that it will come back in the next two years, or do we focus on the growing industries right now? The good thing is, because we work with clients across a large spectrum of industries, we have been able to observe these changes panning out early and react swiftly.
Come 2021 and 2022, product will be key for us. There is a lot of pent-up demand across industries that were restricted due to the pandemic, such as travel, and we are looking forward to capturing this new demand, which I believe will definitely come back once we tide over these difficult times. At Nium, we will continue to focus on growing our revenue and expanding our team worldwide.
At the same time, we are also aware of the impact that the pandemic has had on our employees this year. I want to take a brief moment here to acknowledge the efforts of our employees worldwide. They have rallied hard over the past few months, putting in the extra hours as they work remotely, to ensure they deliver quality work. Ensuring that our employees remain engaged and prioritising their mental health will also be a focus for us in the new year.
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